BPCCRA Minutes April 9th 2008





John Sprackling Chairman

John Defty Treasurer

Stan Alfert Data Protection Officer

John Gunton Magazine Editor

Val Short Minutes Secretary

Cllr. Neil Sorton Ward Councillor

Cllr Mrs May Haines ditto

Ken Sanson, Chairman, Sandbanks Assn

15 Members/Wardens

Welcomes JS welcomed Cllrs Neil Sorton & Mrs May Haines, Ken Sanson and all those present.


Apologies: Terry Stewart (Attending a meeting of CPRE, Purbeck Group), Bob & Phyllis Young (Short break) and William & Sarah Belshaw

Accuracy: JS said that NS had thought that the report of the Council`s 4 Stars from the Audit Commission in the last Minutes did not do justice to the high level of service provided by the Council and confirmed by the independent Commission. It was therefore agreed that the following additional sentence should be added… “This is a great tribute to the hard work of the Council and its staff at all levels”.

JS said that, subject to the above amendment, he would sign the Minutes as a true and accurate record of the meeting held on 12th March 2008.


Poole Pottery/Quay Thistle Hotel sites update: JS reported that

1. Quayside (former) Dolphin Quays development – awaiting Inspector’s decision re Marston’s Inns & Taverns application to use the 1st floor open area in association with use of adjacent unit as a ‘bar/restaurant’ following Appeal Hearing on 28/02/08. Appellants sought award of costs against the Council.

JS said that, intriguingly, he had just been advised that the underlease to Marston’s Inns Plc has not yet been completed.

2. Poole Pottery factory buildings in Sopers LaneChairman’s Note: Appeal against LPA’s refusal to grant Application (To demolish existing and erect a 116 bed care home, day centre and ancillary facilities) dismissed on 08/04/08..

3. Former Poole Pottery & Swan Inn site – No further developments.

4. Quay Thistle Hotel site – ditto

5. Old Orchard House. 39-61. High Street – Planning Application (Installation of ground floor shop fronts including ATM. Siting of external refrigeration units at rear. Variation of condition No.4 of planning permission 06/13141/015/C delivery times) registered by Sainsburys on 01/04/08. JS said that Sainsbuys adopted a ‘cavalier attitude’ to planning laws at Sainsbury’s Local, 104-106 Bournemouth Road, where work was carried out prior to planning consent being granted.

Planning Enforcement, TPOs/Tree replacements – update:

62 Haven Road – JS said that Mr Dearing, the Planning Enforcement Officer, had visited the site yesterday (08/04/08) and the tree in question was classified as DDD (Dead, diseased or dying). A replant has been agreed.

Mr Dearing told JS that the tree surgeon was expecting a visit as he heard that, in so


many words, the Council were ‘hot’ on unauthorised tree work/felling in Poole. JS commented that it’s good to know that the message is getting around.

Unauthorised Advertisement Hoardings: No further developments re policy leaflet.

Poole Beaches and Coastal Defences: JS reported that the following resolution was agreed at the Cabinet meeting on 01/04/08

“That Cabinet be requested to note the recommendation from the Environment Overview Group that the preferred option for up to 6 groynes at the eastern end of the Bay be agreed subject to design and further details and that an application for Grant Aid to be made to DEFRA (the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs).”

Council Tax 2008/09 & Financial Monitoring report: There was no report as William Mutlow was not present.

Poole Partnership: JS reported on the Steering Group meeting held on 13/03/08 – the Agenda included…

  • · Restructuring of Steering Group including Work Plan for 2008
  • · Update on Poole’s Local Area Agreement 2008
  • · Consider delegation of final agreement of LAA to Performance Management Group
  • · Update from Performance Management Group
  • · State of the Area Debate to be postponed to September 2008
  • · Update on Investing in Children & Young People

Lindsay Road to Station Road Corridor/Speeding in Lindsay Road: No further developments but JS said that TS had sent a note to say that he hoped that a response about the Bournemouth/Richmond Roads junction would be received soon. He is not in favour of the no right turn into Richmond Road, but doesn’t feel strongly about this.

Canford Cliffs Village:

MH reported that the Farmers’ Market would not be held in Maxwell Road as objections had been received from residents of the road.

It was agreed at last Thursday’s Transportation Advisory Group that consideration of the use of the Ravine Road car park for the Canford Cliffs Farmers Market be delegated to the Canford Cliffs & Penn Hill Area Committee meeting on 28/05/08. This would give the opportunity to establish the number of spare spaces in the car park during May. Lost revenue from the car park will be paid for by the market organiser.

JS recalled that some local residents living in Canford Cliffs Road had had reservations about the use of the Penn Hill car park for the Organic Market before this opened but he has received no complaints since it started operating in September 2005. MH reported that the organisers have applied to move the market at Penn Hill from Sunday to Saturday.

Skywalk Tower, Sandbanks (Application No. 06/12765/016/F): No further developments.

Bus Service to serve Lindsay Road & Penn Hill Ave: JS referred to the Minutes of the ‘Route and Branch’ review group meeting held on 11/03/08 which included a section which will be of interest to residents living in the area covered by our Assn. JS said that he would include an extract in the Minutes – see below.


John McVey, Passenger Transport and Accessibility Manager, referred to the Petition that had been received requesting both earlier and later together with a more frequent service to Lilliput.

Nick Phillips, Accessibility Team Leader, referred to the 151 Service which travelled from Poole to Bournemouth via Pottery Road, Lilliput and Canford Cliffs.

This Service then continued to Swanage so there was a need for step entrance buses that could easily access the Ferry.

Members were advised that Wilts and Dorset were looking at improvements in this area in


order to achieve a better link into the network, including a half hourly, Bournemouth-Swanage (direct) also, a hourly, Poole-Lilliput-Compton Acres-Canford Cliffs-Sandbanks-Poole, and also a off-peak, 2 hourly service to pick up the remainder of the route, Penn Hill Avenue/Lindsay Road-Poole.

In conclusion, Members were advised that regrettably there would be a need to contact the Petitioners to advise that the Local Authority were “tied” until the Wilts and Dorset service changes were known, however, improvements would continue to be sought and revisited.

Public Rights of Way:

Westminster Road end of Dalkeith Road The necessary forms had been registered with the Rights of Way Officer.

Buccleuch Road to Lakeside Road – JS said that SA would like some more statements to support the Assn’s application to register the rights of way over this path. If anyone is prepared to help please get in touch with SA. Form E (To be circulated separately with Minutes) needs to be completed and SA is very happy to assist completion. The forms should be returned to SA for bulk submission to the Council.

Bessborough Road – MH reported that the Canford Cliffs Land Society is in the process of getting the paperwork together to support their belief that this is a right of way, but not for vehicles.

Update re ‘Branksome Park Conservation Area is at RISK’

Branksome Park Conservation Area

JS reported that the Planning Applications for 31 Western Avenue (Demolish existing house (retain pool complex) and erect 1 no. detached house with integral garage) and Conservation Area application to demolish existing dwelling) are subject to a Planning Hearing (APP/Q1255/E/08/2067926 & APP/Q1255/A/08/2067927 The deadline for comments is 29/04/08.

William Belshaw was unable to attend the meeting but would welcome support from members in opposition to this application. The small sub-group of Western Ave residents had drafted a letter of objection which members may wish to send to the Planning Inspectorate JS said that he would circulate this separately with the Minutes.

JS said the sub-group were considering appointing a Barrister to act for them and they had been told his fee would be in the region of £10,000 to £12,000.

NS advised that Tim Martin, Head of Legal & Democratic Services, had written to John Buckley advising him against using the services of a Barrister at the Hearing.

Chairman’s note: An extract from the note from Mr Martin reads “…lawyers are rarely present – or indeed welcome – at such hearings. The Inspectors handle these Hearings in as a round table discussion rather than the adverserial nature of a full Public Inquiry.”

Roy Pointer hoped that the Assn would lend similar support in opposition to 10 Wilderton Road (Demolish existing dwelling and erect replacement dwelling) which is subject to a Planning Hearing (APP/Q1255/A/08/2061619 & APP/Q1255/A/08/206120) The date for final comments was 26/03/08.

Ron Harryman mentioned how important it was for members of the public to attend Hearings/Inquiries in force, to show the strength of local feeling.

JS said that he and his wife had attended today’s Appeal Hearing (APP/Q1255/A/07/2049008) re 4 Nairn Road (Erect two detached houses with integral garages. (Revised Scheme) when eight residents were present. JS was pleased to report

that the LPA had applied for costs and, from JS’ observation. this seemed a more regular occurrence.

Haig Ave & Lawrence Drive – MH reported the two applications re 7 Haig Avenue (a)

Outline application to demolish existing dwelling & annex and erect 3 detached houses


(b) Block of 9 flats with underground parking) had been granted by Planning Committee meeting on 20/03/08.

The residents have lost heart casino online and given up on the attempt to gain conservation status for Haig Avenue.

3 Lawrence Drive – the application which was refused 3 months ago has been resubmitted, but MH had not yet had an opportunity to examine the new plans. MH did not know if residents still plan to go ahead with obtaining professional advice to obtain Special Character Area status for the road.

Possible Charitable Status for Assn: No further developments but Roy Pointer raised the point who would act as Trustees.

BPCCRA AGM & Spring 2008 Magazine: John Gunton reported that the magazine will be with the printers next week and should be available for delivery the week after, in time for the AGM.

Speeding/Drivers using mobile ‘phones: JS said they TS had followed this up with Sgt Jane Newcombe.

Chairman’s Note: Sgt Newcombe wrote to TS on 14/03/08 “We area aware of the problems of mobile phone use while driving. We always stop drivers when seen and will continue to do so. I will make sure patrols pay attention to the area you mentioned, however we will not be in plain clothes as we need to be in a position to stop the vehicles to issue tickets.”


KA reported that…

1 Over Links Drive (Sever land and erect a detached house with integral garage) – application withdrawn on 27/03/08.

4 Brudenell Avenue (Outline application to demolish existing dwelling and erect two 3/4

storey houses) Application withdrawn on 10/03/08.

JS reported…

The application for 1, 2 & 3 Alington Close & 2a & 2b Shore Road

(Demolish existing and erect 6 x two / three storey blocks comprising 32 flats with basement car parking, accessed off Alington Close and associated works and landscaping. (Amended scheme) was granted by Planning Committee on 01/04/08.

Chairman’s Note: Earlier application (Demolish existing and erect 4×3 storey blocks comprising 32 flats with basement car parking and associated works and landscaping (Revised scheme). Amended plans received 10/7/07, 23/7/07, 25/7/07, 6/8/07 and 9/8/07) subject to a Planning Inquiry (APP/Q1255/A/08/2061709) and the date for final comments was 27/03/08.

The application for 1 – 3 Compton Avenue (Demolish existing and erect a block of 11 flats & 1 maisonette with basement parking (Revised Scheme) – to be determined by Planning Committee at meeting on 17/04/08

Chairman’s Note: Earlier application (Demolish existing and erect a block of 11 flats and 1 maisonette (total 12) with basement parking and bin store. Accessed from Compton Avenue (as amended by Drawings rec’d on 30.08.07) is subject to Appeal Hearing at a date yet to be announced.

SA reported that the appeal (APP/Q1255/A/08/2062337) re 40 Lakeside Road (Demolish existing dwelling and outbuilding. Sever land and erect 2 detached dwellings with shared access off Lakeside Road) was withdrawn on 04/03/08

The application (Demolish existing and erect 1 x 5-bed house and convert garage to office & storage) registered on 01/02/08 remains ‘Current’.

Other current planning issues

57 Haven Road (Demolish existing and erect a block of 14 flats with basement parking and bin store to be accessed from Haven Road. (as amended by plans received

28/11/06) – this development has not been constructed in accordance with the approved

plans and elevations and is now the subject of a revised planning application.


1-3 Chaddesley Glen

(a) Outline application to demolish nos. 1 & 3 Chaddesley Glen and construct 14

apartments with basement parking. Accessed from Chaddesley Glen) – awaiting

Inspector’s decision following Appeal Hearing (APP/Q1255/A/07/2056180) on 01/03/08

(b) Demolish existing dwellings and erect 2 No blocks of 6 x 2 bed apartments (12 in total) on three floors with new vehicular access) – application registered on 04/03/08.

3 Westminster Road (Demolition of existing dwelling and erect 3 storey block of 8 flats

with basement parking to be accessed from Westminster Road) – awaiting Inspector’s

decision following Appeal Hearing (APP/Q1255/A/07/2047001) on 27/02/08.

Canford Cliffs, Promenades 1 & 2 & Vacant plot of land to the west of Branksome Chine Car Park (Construction of 62 new beach huts) – application registered on 22/01/08.

Land at 140 Canford Road (Demolish house and erect a block of 8 flats with underground garages and secure cycle store) – application granted 14/02/08.

138 Canford Cliffs Road (Demolition of existing and erection of three detached

dwellings with integral garages) – application refused on 23/01/08. NB Outline consent

to demolish existing and erect 3 dwellings and garages was granted on 31/08/07.

142-144 Canford Cliffs Road (Demolition of existing houses and garages. Construction of 14 No. flats with underground parking) subject to ‘Written representations’ Appeal

(APP/Q1255/A/07/2060701) The date for final comments was 05/02/08.

146-148 Canford Cliffs Road (Demolish existing and erect a three storey block of ten flats with basement parking. (Revised) – Application registered on 12/03/08. An appeal against the LPA’s refusal to grant an earlier application for 12 flats was dismissed on 15/01/08

46-48 Tower Road (Erect a 2 – 5 storey block of 14 flats with basement parking) – appeal allowed.

12 St Clair Road (Erection of 2 x 4-bed detached dwellings with associated parking and rear vehicular access from St Clair Road. (Revised Scheme) – application listed for Planning Committee meeting on 20/03/08 but this was deferred for site visit prior to Planning Committee meeting on 17/04/08. The officer’s recommendation is to ‘Grant’.

103 Lilliput Road

(a) Demolition of existing dwelling and redevelop with 2½ storey flatted block of 7 units, associated access and parking (as amended by plans received 18.10.07) – subject to

Planning Inquiry (APP/Q1255/A/07/2058028) on 21/05/08.

(b) Demolition of existing dwelling and its redevelopment with a 2½ storey flatted block

comprising 7 dwelling units, associated access and parking (revised scheme).– Application granted with conditions on 17/03/08.

1 Westminster Road East (Demolition of existing dwelling and erection of 2 No. four bedroom detached properties with associated vehicular accesses, parking and landscaping)application refused on 16/01/08.

5 Westminster Road (Demolition of existing dwelling and erection of a part two, part three storey building comprising six flats with additional basement parking and integral cycle storage area and detached bin store) – application registered 27/02/08. If this application is not refused under delegated authority, this will be decided by the Planning Committee at a date yet to be announced.

8 Shore Road – BPCCRA will continue to monitor possible tree work application. An

entrance has been created on the Haven Road side of this property.

6 Tower Road West (Erect a 2-storey side extension to create an additional 4

self-contained flats with associated parking) – Appeal dismissed on 15/02/08.

5 Durrant Road

(a) Erect 5 storey block of 8 flats) – Appeal dismissed on 20/12/07

(b) Demolish existing and erect a 4 storey block of 8 flats with basement garage accessed

from Durrant Road. As amended by information received 02/10/07 and plans received 28/06/07, 11/07/07 and 17/09/07 – subject to ‘Written representations’ Appeal (APP/Q1255/A/08/2062977) The date for final comments is 12/03/08

16-18 Durrant Road

(a) Demolish existing and erect two 4 storey blocks each of 6 x 2 bed flats (12 in total)

with associated access and car parking) – ‘Written representations’ Appeal (APP/Q1255/A/07/2054198) withdrawn.

(b) Demolish existing and erect 2 blocks of 6 flats (12 total) with single linked basement

garage.– Application registered on 24/01/08.

60A Kings Avenue (Tree Replacement Notices to replant 3 Scots Pines) – subject to Written Representation appeal (GOSW Ref SW/THM/8147/1038)

4. ACCOUNTS TO DATE JD reported that the total cash this month was £36,856. The magazine will stimulate income for next month.



House on land at rear of 14 Torbay Road (Access via Wynford Road) – According to the Planning Enforcement Officer, David Edwards, this 3-storey house is 700mm taller than it should be. NS pointed out that this is significant and is the point of contention in the case

of 12 St Clair Road.

Chairman’s Note: In his Enforcement Appeal Decision Letter dated 20/12/05 re 27 Kinson Ave the Inspector says at 8 on page 2 “In the context of the appeal development, I consider that an increase in roof height (over the approved scheme) of around 600mm to be material.”

Polo on beach at Sandbanks – Ken Sanson reported that Poole is to host the British Beach Polo Championships this summer. This will be he first event of its kind in Europe and involve international players in an arena 100m by 50m on Sandbanks beach on 11th &

12th 2008.
ar parking for the event will be provided at the ‘open-air’ car park by the Poole Bus Station in Poole and competitors/spectators will be bussed to Sandbanks.

On the Sunday (13/07/08) there will be a football tournament organised on the beach by the Police at which young people from the more deprived areas of Poole are being encouraged to participate.

It was suggested that Rose growers should attend with buckets on the Friday and Saturday (Preferably before the football)!

21 Buccleuch Road – Jan Wylde referred to the wall around this property and wondered if this had planning consent.

Chairman’s note: I’m informed that the planning consent includes a 7ft high rendered wall and one access.

JS closed the meeting at 8.10pm.

Date of next Meeting: The next meeting is the AGM on Saturday 3rd May 2008 in All Saints Church Hall